Hans Amato | Testosterone, Biohacking and Maximizing your Health!

[00:00:00] David Dowlen: Welcome to the Fallible man podcast. You're home for all things, man, husband and father, big shout out to my fallible nation. You guys make things like this possible and a warm welcome to our first time listeners . My name is Brent today. My special guest is Hans Amato, podcaster, coach biohacker and fitness junkie.

[00:00:15] Hans, welcome to the show.

[00:00:18] Hans Amato: Thanks, man. I really appreciate the opportunity.

[00:00:20] David Dowlen: I'm excited. This is,, almost a part two for us., I made an appearance on your podcast and that was a whole lot of fun and very excited about that. And you guys can find that on his YouTube channel as well as on mine.

[00:00:31] I have it favorite it over there, but Hans, I don't do like big introductions because we get to research each other a little before a show and I can read accolades all day long, but that doesn't really communicate to people who you are. So in your own words now, right now, today, who is Hans Amato.

[00:00:50] Hans Amato: I am a male.

[00:00:53] I was born in 1992 that around the year, 2015, became obsessed with just male optimization in general. No, I think it's sorry. That was earlier before that 2015 is where things actually started to click more. But I really started obsessing about, let's say about 2013, 14, just researching, researching, researching it.

[00:01:13] Especially once I had my notice phase, things weren't good. I had to find solutions sort of researching it. I do have a bachelor's degree that I got from the university of the Northwest here in South Africa. But it felt like, coming to school and studying, wasn't giving me the solutions that I needed.

[00:01:31] So you have to go into the research yourself, researching, finding what really works. What is your specific problem addressing that? And when I started coming across like testosterone research, I was like, okay. So it helps me both muscle. It helps with confidence. It just improves your sexual function.

[00:01:50] Everything that I think a man would want at least a young male that I was at the time, I was like, sign me up. So I started researching it like crazy, and it's just been years and years and years of experimentation fixing the diet, optimizing lifestyle, just trying to optimize every aspect of life. And then obviously integrating the passion of lifting with Testo optimization.

[00:02:11] And then now it's more, I wouldn't say now it has been all along the way, but more so the background also longevity optimization. Cause I don't wanna do anything in the short run that is going to negatively affect my longevity. So I think a lot of people would associate, okay, body builders. They are doing things that they're eating a certain way, lifting a certain way to gain a certain kind of performance.

[00:02:34] But then they're shooting themselves in the foot in the long run because they're not optimizing their longevity. So I'm always trying to focus on how can I get the. Optimize myself, muscle growth, testosterone, just everything that's gonna enhance the, in the richness of my life. And then also live long and healthy life.

[00:02:53] It's not for me necessarily health span. I don't care about living to one 60. It's more to me that the health span that I get, like how healthy am I in the years that I do have, and that's kinda what I want to optimize. And that's what have been optimizing, helping me for many, many years creating content about this specifically for a long time now as well.

[00:03:13] David Dowlen: Okay. Hans, how old are you now? Can I ask?

[00:03:16] Hans Amato: I am 29, almost 30 at the end of this year.

[00:03:19] David Dowlen: Okay. Okay. Are you married?

[00:03:22] Hans Amato: I am married for seven years. Congratulations.

[00:03:26] David Dowlen: Thank you kids yet, or no?

[00:03:28] Hans Amato: Yes. We have a young boy. He's about eight months now.

[00:03:31] David Dowlen: Oh, wow. Congratulations. That's amazing. Thank you. It's such an exciting time in life.

[00:03:37] Hans Amato: Yeah, it was definitely, definitely something new, , you're so used to living the solo life and then it's someone else popping into your life. And I guess there's still some kind of instincts naturally as a parent that you like, it is new, but in a way you still difficult to phrase this know how to, what you want.

[00:03:55] You need to do with a child like this. Mm-hmm

[00:03:57] David Dowlen: Yeah. There's definitely some instinctual to it. For most women, men and women have just enough instinctual drive to take care of the child to get them started and make sure the child survives at first while we're learning the rest of the curve. Cuz yeah, I've got two daughters it's there's a lot to learn as you go.

[00:04:14] So I think nature gave us just enough to make sure the kids survived us going. Oh wow. Okay. I gotta get on my a game and learn something here.

[00:04:23] Hans Amato: Yeah. So I'm excited about the future, Spending time together and helping him really become a great male in the process as well.

[00:04:31] David Dowlen: It should be very exciting.

[00:04:34] Now you reading your story was interesting because you said you were in your lower twenties and you realized like your body was just not functioning, optimally edit, you were lethargic and were depressed and just, you were missing a lot of drive that, you associate with lower twenties as a normal thing, right?

[00:04:57] Yeah. And so that's really what kick started this for you. Can you tell us a little bit about

[00:05:02] Hans Amato: that now that I'm thinking about it? It's so that we often think that it's my personality, like, ah, it's just me. It's just my personality. I am timid. I am afraid I have anxiety. I'm not good with people.

[00:05:14] I struggle to both muscle. Maybe I'm just. Someone that's not motivated in life. That's my personality. Because as a young individual, especially if your parents didn't make you aware of this kind of stuff, is that you do think it's just you, but you should not think it's you, it's just your diet and your lifestyle that is shaping you at that time.

[00:05:34] And you can optimize your diet and lifestyle. It's gonna change how you feel, perceive the world, those kind of stuff. So I was in the hostel eating junk food in the hostel. What typical you get in hostel? It's like refined food. It's processed need typical stuff. That's not good for you under eating, getting nutritional deficiencies.

[00:05:53] Lots of stress, not being particularly good, but not doing particularly bad in school either. I'm feeling more like a social outcast at the time. and, that was kinda like school. And then after school, it kinda continued a little bit, and then we had some financial problems going on. So I was again, under eating, not eating enough, nutritional food, more stress, because now your parents are no longer there for you.

[00:06:15] Now you have to make your own living, financial stress and then so much stress leading to this. It sounds messy, doesn't it? So it creates a lot of those negative low testosterone symptoms. So that was kinda what happened in Myers. I think it's not that uncommon that people are under eating, eating too much processed food.

[00:06:32] They're not getting enough nutrients and they end up with low levels of testosterone. And I think it's just damage. I think it's their personality as to the way they are, but it's not that way. And then as I mentioned, researching all of this stuff and then getting more money, getting the right food, getting the right lifestyle, minimizing stress has just completely reshaped everything.

[00:06:55] Where you now have your confidence. Now you have the energy, the motivation, the drive. So for me, the biggest things where I felt like I was not man enough, was that I felt DEIT. I felt, as I mentioned, the social outcasts, I felt why would anyone listen to me? I was too afraid to speak my mind. I couldn't really start conversation with other people.

[00:07:17] Like I, I wanted to, but you feel so square scared. That's kinda like the way I felt mm-hmm and just optimizing their stars show as like completely got rid of that. So it's I have to say, it's not just about this optimizing their stars show, but it's also about reading books about self development.

[00:07:33] But with that being said, you can read all the books that you want, but if you don't change your physiology in on the inside, you don't increase your testosterone. You're not gonna get rid of the anxiety. You can learn how to talk to people, but it doesn't mean it's gonna get rid of that anxiety aspect.

[00:07:46] It's not gonna make you feel less and less intimidated. So optimizing the testosterone is gonna shape your physiology in a way that gives rid of the anxiety, gives you the confidence, improves your sex life, improves your energy to want to go and do things you need energy to have that drive in life to do things.

[00:08:04] And yeah. Okay.

[00:08:07] David Dowlen: What's your favorite ice cream?

[00:08:09] Hans Amato: Woo. Homemade. I would say homemade. We don't have good brands here in South Africa. We had a good recipe that we made. We, I think my wife made it, so I don't know how accurate I will be on this recipe. but it's basically banana peanut butter cream, and maybe eggs just for a little bit of a fluff fluffiness.

[00:08:28] Mm-hmm  I think that was the main recipe and it was pretty damn good though.

[00:08:31] David Dowlen: Oh, wow. I ask almost everybody. I interview what their favorite ice cream is. No one has ever thought to say I do homemade ice. No one has ever actually said that. That's amazing because thinking back, that's that was my favorite growing up for sure.

[00:08:44] I love what my mama made. Awesome. Do you have a recipe? I think I do. I'd have to look at my recipe book. I'll send it to you. If I got one I grew up eating a lot of banana ice cream. That's what we made most time. It's just banana. Yeah. That's the best. I got an addiction for that, man. It's just, it is one of those childhood memories.

[00:08:58] That's just like, oh right. We have Ben and Jerry's here in the us. You guys have Ben and Jerry's, I

[00:09:03] Hans Amato: don't think so. No, I, but I don't eat too many like processed foods. So if we do, I'm aware, unaware of that though.

[00:09:08] David Dowlen: They have a flavor called chunky monkey is banana ice cream, but it's got walnuts and chocolate chunks in it, but that just that banana ice cream aspect of it, like that deep core memories of growing up, eating my mom and my grandmother's ice cream.

[00:09:22] Totally. You have the podcast. We mentioned. Tell us what your podcast is about.

[00:09:31] Hans Amato: It was a little bit all over the place, mostly in lifestyle optimization, but I felt like since I want to optimize myself testosterone that's kinda like my main focus still at the end of the day, male optimization, that is the foundation of male optimization.

[00:09:49] So I'm down specifically on Theo optimization and integrating everything else that is also, I'm interested in like building muscle, the longevity aspect, life enjoyment. And I connect with the testosterone. So it's not that life is just about testosterone and androgen optimization. It's about all of the other stuff, but they are so all integrated.

[00:10:11] And what I see the most is that people disconnect things. They become too reductionistic. They should just focus on testosterone or just focus on thyroid or just focus on gut belt. But it's so reductionistic because everything is so integrated and that's kinda what I try to teach people. But with the main focus on testosterone.

[00:10:26] So if you wanna make an impact because people know how important testosterone is. So if you wanna make an impact, that's what I found is that try to integrate everything with a testosterone aspect. And that's when people will listen because they know testosterone is important. Oh, gut health influences, testosterone or thyroid influences testosterone.

[00:10:43] So then they will listen more. So the podcast is testosterone focused but with every other aspect in mind, so what else influences testosterone, sleep, lifestyle, mindset of those kind of stuff. And that's kinda what I try to help people with.

[00:10:57] David Dowlen: Okay. Can I ask you just offbeat in, in the us we have right now a really toxic masculinity culture, right?

[00:11:03] There's a lot of pushback against everything, really male. So talking about testosterone immediately, people were like, ah, you don't need to talk about do you, is that the same case? Are y'all seeing that in South Africa or is that culturally an American thing right now?

[00:11:16] Hans Amato: I definitely think it's very bad in America.

[00:11:18] I think we do get some vibes from America because of the social media, but it's not nearly as things. No.

[00:11:24] David Dowlen: Okay. , I was just, since you specialize in that, I was curious do you get push back on that? So you said you are digging into focusing on testosterone? My next question, this actually rolls in perfectly, cuz my next question is you're passionate about helping men's maximize their health and through diet, exercise or biohacking.

[00:11:42] I love that hot term for what you're doing cuz I, I was like, I thought that was just like getting your life in order. But now biohacking is the thing, right? What is the number one issue? Cuz I know you do coaching. What's the number one issue you run into with your clients that are jamming at men right now?

[00:11:58] Hans Amato: I would say they are just most people in the, especially in the United States, they are. They have metabolic syndrome. They are insulin resistant. And when you are insulin resistant, your body can't properly create energy from glucose and fat. This is the thing that people confuse is that, oh, I'm diabetic.

[00:12:15] I can't properly use glucose. So you want to eliminate glucose to improve your insulin sensitivity. But the fact actually that you, people that are metabolic have metabolic syndrome, can't actually properly utilize fat as well. So they just have a dysfunctional can't speak metabolism in general. So they can't make proper energy from glucose fat.

[00:12:36] And then that you have to use protein in the mix as well. And that's becoming a mess because you don't wanna use protein as a field. You wanna use either glucose or fat or both. You can use both. Whereas some people's a little bit Woohoo about your, how should either use one or the other, but your body's very good at using both.

[00:12:53] The biggest reason is that people are insulin resistant because you can't produce energy and steroid Genesises is dependent. On proper energy production. And it's not just the production of ATP, but it's a whole flow of energy coming from glucose or fat all the way through the lysis or beta oxidation going into the CREB cycle, the electro transport chain, producing energy without a flow.

[00:13:15] When you are in high energy state, that is when your body can optimize testosterone, production, androgen, everything else in the body becomes optimized when you are in a higher energy state. So the, with that being said, anything that inhibits proper energy metabolism will then lower your testosterone and have a negative effect on almost every aspect of your life.

[00:13:34] So when you have metabolic syndrome, your insulin resistant, you have lower levels of energy, and that affects your testosterone, your testes, your thyroid, all of your other organs, as opposed to have a regulatory effect, that's gonna affect that negative. That's the biggest reason. And then we can always go into why people have metabolic syndrome in the first place.

[00:13:55] And then it's come back to the diet and lifestyle diet, and lifestyle's almost always implicated and why people have metabolic syndrome. But I would say if we have to break it down, we can go into simple solutions. Why people are metabolic half metabolic resistance in the first place when it comes to diet it's because people eat refined foods.

[00:14:14] Most of the time that is diet aspect, it's refined foods. So it's nutritional inadequacies and the macro nutrients are a little bit all over the place. And then in terms of lifestyle there are two sedentary and they stress a lot. I think those are kind of the the main things.

[00:14:28] I think stress is one of the bigger problems that I've had with controlling my weight.

[00:14:33] I know is stress and I have a problem sleeping. I always have. And that, that may be very well nutritionally based. But stress, I think is one of the harder things for a lot of us to try and learn, to control, to keep from interfering with the way our bodies should work. But yeah. Yeah. So metabolic syndrome.

[00:14:53] David Dowlen: You read I read a lot of diet and exercise stuff and, but there's just so much information at this point out there that for a lot of us, right at the layman level are just going. Yeah. But which one is it? Right. It's almost an information overload as opposed to just ignorance at this point, because you're like, Yeah but what's right for me, there's every diet under the sun out there, but before we're gonna dig into that portion of it.

[00:15:17] And guys, Hans knows what he is talking about when he talks about energy, all you gotta do is go to his website and we'll be sharing that as well. And you can watch the videos of him doing back flips off the side of his house or off trees. He, he lives the talk guys. This isn't just, Hey, I think you should, this is what he does.

[00:15:34] This is who he is. And he makes that very apparent. We'll have links for his YouTube channel and everything else down in the description. And the show knows as well that Hans, his living proof that his thesis, the way he got here works for him. And he is helping other men reach that. But Hans what drives you?

[00:15:51] What is the why, why this right. You have studied and you improved your own life and your own health. Why this mission to help other men.

[00:16:00] Hans Amato: So for me, I remember way back in the day when I was young, I felt like I didn't want it to work. I didn't want to have a normal job. I wanted to be a stuntman because I like to be active.

[00:16:14] I like that adrenaline rushing activities. I'm not like a maniac. Like there's some guys that's really crazy. I find I just wanna have fun. Lots of do lots of fun activities. That's what I wanted to do. So now starting my own business and getting myself out of low testosterone state. Now I can build muscle.

[00:16:31] I can actually recover because one of the things that if you are active by doing these things, mm-hmm, it takes a toll on your body. Like you, you do strong man stuff. Your recovery is really, really important. If you can lift all the weights, but if you don't recover, yeah. You're not getting great progress.

[00:16:46] So recovery is so important. That's why I focus on the longevity aspect as well. That's why I'm like 29. You can technically say out of my prime, like most elite athletes are early twenties. So that's why I feel like I have to focus so much on the longevity aspect. And now that I feel like I have achieved this state where I'm having fun all the time.

[00:17:06] Now you have this dialed in. I feel this intimacy has for life and waking up. I'm excited. I can do the activities that I enjoy. I can do the job that I enjoy. I can manage my stress because I have all this tactics, but I know I can feel this high energy state. I feel great inside of myself. I have a great relationship with my wife.

[00:17:26] Like all of this that I, I just love it, and then you go in a forum and you hear other people like not having that good life. I don't know how to manage the stress. They struggle to sleep. They feel direction less in life. And let me use this analogy. And since we are both in entrepreneurs and you have people helping you, that is so helpful to have other people help you.

[00:17:48] Is that in something that you're not good at? Let's say I'm not really good at marketing content, so I'm good at creating content. I'm not that good at that's very common for entrepreneurs. Yeah. So now I can go on YouTube and I can spend hours looking on things. I hate, like, now you have to figure out how do you write sales pages?

[00:18:08] How do you create this content? How do you figure out how to use apps? Like technology? All of the stuff can be really frustrating and it's good to have the skills, if you can learn it. But just having an expert tell you know what, if you go for consultation, this is what you should do in your business.

[00:18:23] This is who you should hire. This is the direction you should take. It relieves so much. And I feel like I can help those people be that guide for them to improve their life. So I know what it feels like, and it's just like, I don't enjoy seeing people suffering where I, when I feel like the solution is so simple, you can just do this.

[00:18:43] And I know this is gonna make this massive difference in your life because the solutions that I have found is most of the time free, it's simple. It's very easy to implement it. Doesn't take a lot of your time to do. And I just want people to enjoy the life as the same. I do.

[00:18:58] David Dowlen: Okay. Fair enough. It was an interesting analogy, cuz I actually just close the deal with a marketing group for my podcast, cuz I stink at marketing.

[00:19:05] So right there with you, man. I can do content, but like I have no idea how to market. Okay. Yeah. It's it is a good cause, man. That's a good cause. So guys, we're getting to know Hans right now and get a feel for him because I want you to connect with him and understand who he is and where he is coming from, because then you can understand why you should listen to him.

[00:19:27] I try and bring you guys just some of the best people. And Hans is definitely in that category guys. In the second half of the show, we're gonna get into maximizing your testosterone, biohacking, and just maximizing your health. Overall. We're gonna roll our sponsors and we'll be right back with more from Hans.

[00:19:42] All right guys, we're back. And we're here with Hanza Amato, discussing testosterone, biohacking, and maximizing your health.

[00:19:48] In the first half of the show, we spend some time getting to know him and we're really gonna dig into optimizing your health as a man. Hans is so focused on this and has great podcast called men's leap podcast that you can dig into for more after this show. But Hans, I gotta ask you as we're getting started in the first half of the show here, or like half of the show is what's one purchase of a hundred dollars or less that you made in the last year, that's had the biggest impact on your life.

[00:20:16] Hans Amato: You're asking me to think very deeply I think it might be an upcoming purchase though. So I like, I don't really buy a lot of gadgets and stuff like that. It's difficult. I'm trying to think of all of the things that I have thought that is really making a difference for me at the moment. I remember, I think it was about two years ago.

[00:20:40] The best purchase I made was gymnastic rings. That was it's so versatile. That was great. Another great purchase that I made was barefoot choose. That's also been fantastic. and then another purchase that I'm gonna make now that I think is gonna have a really great effect on my training is gonna be a specific heart rate monitor, because that's gonna tell me exactly how long I should be racing and how many states I should be doing when I'm doing sprints.

[00:21:09] And that's gonna have the best effect. The how do you put this, like the best result that you're gonna get for the effort that you're gonna put in with a training that you're gonna do? Okay. As I mentioned, I don't really buy a lot of stuff. But I think that will be the best purchase this year.

[00:21:23] David Dowlen: Okay.

[00:21:23] There's a lot of options. Some people with a book one of my major ones this year is I used have thinking putty, because I fidget when I talk and I kept bumping my camera. When I try to record, when I'm talking to somebody is five or six bucks. But man, when, if you're a fidgeter, like I am, world's different.

[00:21:42] So it varies with each person, but you never know what's gonna resonate with somebody. So one of our listeners might be like, Hey, heart rate, monitors. Good. I got a friend who bought one or someone might go gymnastic rings. I've been thinking about I've looked at those probably a hundred times. I just don't have a good place to hang.

[00:21:57] Em. It's like,

[00:21:59] Hans Amato: so it's, so let me, give you a few examples with the gymnastic rings. They they're still serving me crazy. So when I was building up my gym, I didn't have the equipment yet. So the literally the first purchase I made. Whilst getting the gymnast rings, because you can do pullups, you can do the dips on them.

[00:22:18] You can do biceps, you can do tricep extensions when you're lying down. There's a few more that you can do. I'm just thinking of a few that I used them for. And now I, you can use them as a monolith. You know what? You probably know what I want. I love this ride. Yeah. Yeah. With the power lift, just doing the squat and you don't have to walk out of the rack so you can use the same thing.

[00:22:34] You put the bar through the rings and then whatever you're gonna do, if it's gonna be squat, if you're gonna do military press, you don't have to walk out, just go on the rings. Boom, press. It's. It's very versatile. It takes so no spice. It's awesome. I

[00:22:47] David Dowlen: never would've thought of using 'em for mono lift.

[00:22:49] That's a, that's an interesting spin on a . Yeah. All right on. So let's dig into this a little bit. You talk about DHT and most of us have no idea what that even is or what it stands for. And it seems from just doing research on your site, a number that we should probably pay attention to what is DHT and what does it do?

[00:23:12] Hans Amato: So DHT is dihydro testosterone, which is our strongest androgen. It has a longer half life than testosterone. It binds much stronger to the antigen receptor and stays longer on the antigen receptor. So there's obviously differences between testosterone and DHD, testosterone being more anabolic. That's why people abuse it, but the side effect is it can convert into estrogen and you can get too much estrogen in the process.

[00:23:39] If you're gonna abuse the testosterone. That is usually not a problem when you are natural and they, you obviously have too much inflammation that is then stimulating the aromatase to convert testosterone into estrogen. So the enzyme five alpha reductase convert testosterone into DHD. And DHD is the most potent, as I mentioned.

[00:23:58] And typically you will see, like, why is RDH D important? Just go look at post finesse, right syndrome. This is where people that get hair loss or prostate problems, they go to the doctor, the doctor prescribes finesse, right? Usually, and it inhibits five alpha reductase. It doesn't crush it, it inhibits it about depending on the dose, you're using 50, 60, maybe 70%.

[00:24:17] So you still have a small amount of THD, but this is typically when men most commonly start to get sexual dysfunction. They lose sensation in the penis when they have sex. So it's not pleasurable anymore. They start to get rectal dysfunction and ejaculatory problems. So it's more like watery substance when they ejaculate, sorry for all the detail, but I think is necessary.

[00:24:37] Then on the mental aspect is that you start to get more brain fog. You don't feel as energetic and driven in life anymore. So typically people, they don't experience. Pleasure and reward. So usually when someone becomes hypo, but I feel like life is not as rewarding anymore, so they become more depressed.

[00:24:56] So if you do a fun activity, let's say you win in your 20, you win cycling. And it was amazing. You're in nature, you're cycling, you're feeling amazing. But now later in life load distortion, you could go and do the same activity. You just don't enjoy it as much anymore. And you feel more depressed. So most of those benefits from testosterone is actually because of THD because testosterone and more so THD stimulates the production of dopamine.

[00:25:20] And we all know dopamine makes you feel I don't necessarily wanna say euphoric, but it gives you that, that enjoyment aspect, it gives you a zest for life. It gives you the motivation and drive and happiness aspect. So that's why a lot of anti-depressants actually work via the dopaminergic system.

[00:25:36] Upregulates dopamine and make you feel much better. And also. And it's not just because of dopamine, but fine then lowers dopamine because it lowers DHT. And that's why you get a drop in sexual function. You get a drop in libido. You start to feel asexual like you're not even aroused by the opposite sex anymore, or your partner.

[00:25:56] So mental aspect, declines sexual aspect is clients. You don't get just the physical ed, but you get the main of a psychogenic ed. So it's like a double whammy. And then on the physical aspect, you can start to lose muscle strength and muscle hardness. So when you look at DHD kind of synthetic derivatives, like Anbar or matron body will, is usually inject that to become hard and lean.

[00:26:20] So if you look at Rocky in one of the Rockies, he was looking very hard and lean looking. Amazing. Sorry that wasn't Rocky. It was gosh, I can't believe I'm blanking on this. Rambo Rambos Rambos the movie. So he was using some kind of DHD steroid that was making him look that hard and lean. So that's the same thing.

[00:26:43] What happens when you naturally high on DHD, it makes you look more mu muscular, more energetic. You can typically see if someone had a good puberty and their hormones were maximized during that period, they will have a better V taper. They'll have a better beard, good looking skin. Their skin will look amazing.

[00:26:59] They look lean and tight. They don't have a lot of water retention. They have just those natural last time, my podcast, we talked about those natural leaders. So because they tend to be more confident, they can say what they want to say over. They have to say, mm-hmm, come up for other people. So that's kinda like also the mental aspect, but if you have to summarize it it's as some other people also say, like they Soone and D ADHD, it makes effort feels good.

[00:27:23] But it's so much more than that, but it could almost be like summarized to that point.

[00:27:28] So this is a number that all of us should just definitely be taking into consideration and actually like paying attention to in our bodies. How do you test for that as like a blood test? You go to the doctor or, yeah.

[00:27:40] Yeah.

[00:27:40] So you just go to the doctor say include DHD in the process for me. And I think most people will, should have normal levels of THD if they have normal levels of this unless they are eating a lot of foods that are using supplements that block the production of THD. But unfortunately, DHD has been so much vilified because of the prostate and the hair.

[00:28:02] So everyone's okay, but what about hair loss? What about prostate problems? And studies have shown that there is no correlation between the blood value of your DH D and hair loss or prostate problems, and actually injecting men with very high levels of DHD can actually improve your prostate health and doesn't cause hair loss.

[00:28:23] And that is because it's the micro environment in the scalp that promotes hair loss. So it's the tissue levels of and again, people want to be a reductionist. It's the tissue levels of DHD, but it's not it's inflammation. It's your VA constriction is fibrosis tation, nutritional deficiencies. It's impossible.

[00:28:40] Impossible to say it's DHD because if you use something that blocks the production of DHG the scalp mm-hmm, , it's doing other things as well. So if you use, for example, so Meto that doesn't just block DHD. It does so many other things as well. So all of these natural remedies that people put in the scalp to block DHD, it does many other things as well, like lowering inflammation, improving blood flow, those kinda stuff.

[00:29:03] David Dowlen: Okay.

[00:29:06] Now guys, stick through the science and hear this. It makes your life better. For anybody we lost in the science there, it makes your life better. This is a number you should be paying attention to. When you're communicating with your doctor, especially like I'm 42. So I almost cringe when you said you're outta your prime was like, oh, that makes me really outta my prime , and no one wants to hear that, but yeah.

[00:29:28] Yeah. I'm 42 now. So these are discussions that I should be including when I actually see a doctor to monitor my health and my rate. So here's, the really one that's gonna give people's attention, testosterone levels. And the general populace have actually fallen below that of a 1950s woman at this point.

[00:29:45] That is like statistically proven at this point, modern males under the age of 20 have lower testosterone than a 1950s woman, just, and a lot of that has to, with the differences in , technology and chemicals, in the food and production right there. There's a lot that goes into that. So this is gonna become a very million dollar question.

[00:30:09] How do we optimize testosterone?

[00:30:14] Hans Amato: I, maybe we should, maybe I can keep a few pointers where to start not to overwhelm the audience. So the first thing that I want to, I always ask people, like they come to me, I wanna optimize my testosterone or I have side effects from finesse. It's like, okay, what does your diet look like?

[00:30:29] Do you pay any attention to your diet? No, so what do you have for breakfast? I have some wheat digs. Do you think that's a good breakfast? Probably not. So the first thing that I do is okay, let's optimize the diet aspect. The foundation that I always create is coming from animal foods, because you're always getting a balance between the protein, the carbohydrates and the fats.

[00:30:50] So fats is a very strong, especially saturated fat. Again, another thing that has been vilified unnecessarily saturated fat is a positively correlated with testosterone. So technically the more saturated fat you eat, the higher your testosterone will go because your body uses the saturated fat to create testosterone, saturated, fat increases, cholesterol.

[00:31:09] Cholesterol is then used for the production of testosterone.

[00:31:12] David Dowlen: Okay. Let me pause you right there for a second. Before you get a, give us an example of saturated fats. Okay. Cause right, right. I dig into nutrition a lot in my personal life, but not everybody understands how to separate certain things out.

[00:31:25] So what are a couple examples of foods with high in saturated fats that are healthy for us?

[00:31:30] Hans Amato: Definitely. So all animal foods will have a good amount of saturated fat. And this is really good point, which you brought up because saturated fat is just classified as saturated fat people think it's just one thing, but there are so many different kinds of fatty acids in that group of saturated fat with the different kinds of chain links, meaning.

[00:31:51] Every difference in chain length will have a different effect on the body. So your gut produces short chain, fat acids, but it's a saturated fat like Ric. But rate it's a for, it's a four carbon saturated fat, but it's a saturated fat. It has certain functions. Then we have coconut oil. It's contained lower acid.

[00:32:09] It's a C 14 car. So 14 carbons mm-hmm makes a different kind of saturated fat. Then we have patic acid and dairy acid, which is predominant in milk. And like B a, that is the longer chain. And that will all have different effects on the body. So one of the beneficial effects of steroid acid, which is mainly found in B a and to lesser extent in dairy fat, is it fuses, mitochondria together, creating bigger kinds of mitochondria.

[00:32:34] So mitochondria being the powerhouse of the cell. So fusing them together, creating bigger ones, potentiate your ability to create energy and burn fat. So it's beneficial, fat, fat help you to burn more fat specifically when it comes to static acid. Okay. And also these saturated fat, the longer gen saturated fats are very good for improving the cellular function.

[00:32:55] So imagine you're building and the three pigs, the one building consisting of straw, the other building consisting of concrete. So that's basically what saturated fat is doing. It's creating a very structured, strong building and it, that optimizes cellular function. And then the saturated fat itself can have hormonal effects.

[00:33:13] So it's not just benign in the sense, oh, it's a fat that you burn for energy. It can actually have direct effect. And on the flip side, so you have the saturated fat, but now you have the Polyon saturated fats as well. They also have done direct defect, like going in the opposite direction. So, examples again.

[00:33:27] Okay. So any kind of animal fat will be a good source of saturated fat. Okay. So dairy beef, bison. Sorry eggs being a great source. And then you have some plant sources as well. Like coconut is one and the other one would be Cacuo butter. Those are connected. Two exceptions being really high in saturated fat.

[00:33:46] And the Cucao butter also is very rich inster acid, which is the beneficial saturated fat. And then you also have the animal foods that's eggs that has kind like a one-to-one ratio of PolySci fat to saturated fat. So that in itself is not that bad, but you don't wanna over consume the PolySci fat since they can become problematic, but I don't wanna make people too neurotic here.

[00:34:07] So all those polyunsaturated fats can be inflammatory. That is more so the case when a food has been highly refined. So if you go to a restaurant or you eat junk food, they're using something like can or sunflower or soybean oil. So you have to take about a kilogram of soybean oils, squash together to get one tablespoon of soybean oil.

[00:34:27] So if they do studies and they give a group of people or animals, soybean oil, it is super pH physiological amount that would you, you would not have gotten from eating food because as far as I know, no one is really eating a kilogram of soybean oils. That's a, so if you no soybean soybeans. Yeah. So they're not really over consuming the poly and such fat.

[00:34:48] So only when you extract that fat and get too much of that in your diet. I think too much of anything can be a problem that will become infl become inflammatory. So when you look at the whole food source like eggs, even though it's relatively rich in poly saturated fats, that can potentially cause inflammation.

[00:35:04] The Yoke is also very rich in compounds. That is, anti-inflammatory like a vitamin E that will blunt the inflammation. So I always stick to whole food sources and try not to extract something like poly fat that might have the potential to be problematic.

[00:35:19] David Dowlen: , so we're start with nutrition, right? You start with nutrition. Where are you going from there? Optimizing testosterone.

[00:35:26] Hans Amato: So nutrition. Yeah we talked about the saturated fat.

[00:35:29] Do you need the carbohydrates? You need the protein and then the animal fats. I mean, the animal foods is the most important because it provides the micronutrients mm-hmm that is necessary to produce energy things like zinc, magnesium, copper, selenium, all of those things that's necessary for the production of testosterone.

[00:35:45] So that's a diet aspect. It actually, it goes much more in. And that's kinda what I'm trying to help people with the content on my website and whatnot. So it's not just about the diet, this is the food you suit. It is also again, personalizing it. How does it, how could we make this work for you? You're in a hot country, you're in a cold country you're old, you're not you're insulin sensitive.

[00:36:03] You're not like we have to individualize it for each person. So the nutrition aspect can go really in depth. So apart from nutrition, when it comes to testosterone optimization, the biggest things, as we already talked about stress, sleep and sedentary being sedentary can be problematic and sunlight. I think those are the four most important things.

[00:36:27] And I think I have to talk about stress for a moment here, because I don't think people realize the magnitude of stress, right? Oh yeah. Stress, for example, depletes magnesium very quickly. And when you don't have enough magnesium, then your energy production drops. Your testosterone production drops. Your DHT is being converted into weaker metabolites.

[00:36:50] So DHT drops as well. Your cortisol goes up because magnesium is there to buffer the stress. So now with chronic stress, you deplete the mechanism. You don't have enough magnesium to buffer the stress. So cortisol goes up and stay high. All right. So with that being said, let's talk about the different kinds of stress, any kind of stress.

[00:37:07] Even the hormetic stress is bad or not bad. It can be bad for you because it can deplete magnesium if it's chronic, if you're chronically exposed to it. So sleep deprivation, sound cold and heat thinking about stressful things, I think I mentioned sleep deprivation, undereating mm-hmm even overeating inflammation, anything that's gonna release cortisol.

[00:37:30] Let me put it this way. If you are. Stressing. This is gonna be a very silly example, but if you're outside in the darkness and you have seen a horror movie and you're like, what if there's a zombie out there? It's creating a little bit of stress for you. And that is a stressor. So you should take in consideration any kind of stress can negatively affect your testosterone.

[00:37:52] Now acute stress, like if you are being frightened that can actually increase testosterone and cortisone. But the longer you are stressed because you need that certain testosterone to help to protect you against the stressor. But the longer you are stressed, your testosterone's gonna go down and cortisol's gonna go up and that's gonna change the testosterone to cortisone ratio.

[00:38:12] So that's what I'm trying to make people aware of. It's not just the numbers. You don't only want to look at your testosterone or DHD. You wanna look at the ratios between testosterone and cortisol, testosterone, estrogen, cortisol, and DHA, which are some of the adrenal steroids. Okay.

[00:38:28] David Dowlen: That's so, so, so much to unpack guys especially the stress part, right?

[00:38:32] I work full-time job. I have two kids, I have my own business and we're doing some major things right now, just right. The stress levels are always up there. I think that's part of the way we've engineered society at this point, right? We have this obsession with being busy makes us we're obviously worth more if we're busy all the time, right?

[00:38:54] We're obsessed with being busy, cuz that somehow creates value. I'm not sure how that works, but people are in a stress state almost constantly and it is screwing up your life and your body. All of you who are unhappy about the way you look, the way you feel. This is probably one of the biggest things that it's neglected in your health, your overall health.

[00:39:21] That he's talking about right here, that prolonged stress has such a huge impact on every aspect of your physiology on your mental health, on your emotional health. So pay attention. This is critical to you starting to get where you want to go. and we're just talking about the physical level right now and how you're feeling and stuff like that.

[00:39:43] Guys, if you're getting something out of this, I hate this part of the show, do the good social media nonsense. Give us a thumbs up, share us out, give us a review on apple podcast. If this is helping you out, it really does help us to continue you to do this show and to bring more guests like this.

[00:39:59] So, blah, blah, blah. Hey, if, oh, by the way, if you leave comments, I do actually reply to all my comments, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Good social media nonsense. Okay. Let's get back to the real stuff. sorry, man. I hate that aspect of doing this. Now. There are a lot of diets out there and. like I mentioned earlier it's almost an informational overload at this point, right there.

[00:40:21] There's all the good diets. We all know the names like the paleo diet and the keto diet and the Mediterranean diet. There's all these ups and downs. Is there one that is better overall for men to lean into? And you said we need to personalize it for sure. But is there one that's better for me men to lean into if they wanna start optimizing their hormones?

[00:40:44] I know it's a hard question.

[00:40:45] Hans Amato: I don't subscribe to specific diets. Okay. Which might make it more difficult. And what I'm gonna say next might not be really helpful because there's actually a wide range that can be helpful. so that might be even more confusing because if you look at the ketogenic diet versus a non ketogenic diet, it doesn't seem to lower or increase the ion the two diets compared.

[00:41:07] And the same thing for a low fat diet, but there are certain guidelines, right? So when someone is overweight, the best thing that they can do is to lose weight. And I would say, regardless of how you do it, it's gonna be helpful for increasing your testosterone. Obviously don't fast, don't go on some kind of crash diet.

[00:41:25] That's not gonna be good, but create a small deficit. So maybe cut out sodas, start by something like cutting out something, maybe replacing sugary sodas with like a diet soda that might be helpful. So replacing calories, instead of going for a fatty, a cut of steak, go for a lean cut of steak instead of going full fat dairy, go for low fat dairy.

[00:41:46] So you're replacing and you're cutting calories without really changing much of a diet of changing anything else. You can then start to lose weight, and then we can start to incorporate little bit of things into your diet. That's gonna make you more active. To lose weight. That's gonna have the best effect on your testosterone.

[00:42:03] As I mentioned earlier, one of the main reasons why people have low testosterone is because of metabolic and drug or because they're insulin resistant. So being overweight is kinda like one of those biggest risk factors for creating insulin resistant. So getting rid of access weight is gonna make one of the biggest differences and it doesn't really matter what you eat in the process, but let's talk about the foundation, ha following certain guidelines, that would be eating animal foods.

[00:42:29] So you have your meat, you have organ meat. If you're okay with that, you have some broad, maybe some oysters, some fish, it doesn't have to be salmon. People are so obsessed with the omegas. It's really not that important. You could go for lean fish as well, having some eggs and then some low fat dairy yogurt, pork, cottage, cheese, whatever you're establishing the foundation, having those animal foods in your diet, because it's gonna be, protein's gonna be nutrients, vitamins, and minerals.

[00:42:54] That's gonna keep you satiated and that's gonna help with the production of energy. That is the best found. And then you just track your weight if you're losing weight too fast, cut back and other things. I mean, add a little bit more food. If you're losing weight too slow, maybe cut back a little bit more.

[00:43:10] And I don't wanna say everyone should be going out and, counting their calories because very few people actually want to go and weigh their food and start going on myfitnesspal or Crome and logging what they're eating. And it's again, a massive learning curve. So as long as you can have a good amount of lean protein, and the reason I say lean is because you want, if someone is overweight, they wanna lose weight.

[00:43:31] And that is a good choice. If you want to lose weight. So a lean piece of protein with every meal, it's gonna provide nutrients. It can help with Satie and that's gonna help to increase their Soone. So overweight, losing weight, and again, going into the fat loss aspect, I think we can talk for a long time when it comes to that.

[00:43:47] I was trying things so long. What was the question again?

[00:43:50] David Dowlen: I was gonna ask if there was a better diet for optimizing men's hormone levels. However, I think you actually answered that pretty, pretty, fairly. In fact, I actually I have more respect for you now, even than I did, because if you had been like, oh, this is the diet.

[00:44:04] I would've been like, oh no, there it goes back., I've see bright. Every diet has its, what they're dedicated zealots, right? It's like, oh ketos. The only way Mediterranean is the only way, I love the paleo people. It's like paleo, we're gonna go back to our a no, you're not, you know what I mean? The ideal your ancestors actually, cuz it wasn't that, they didn't eat it olive garden.

[00:44:25] I promise. But , no I think that's makes you incredibly credible that you're like, okay, make small changes. Focus on what, you know, you need to put on your body. So I think that's an incredible answer, thank you. I don't think there is a perfect diet. I think there is the diet that you can live with yeah.

[00:44:45] To achieve your goals. So which you can be consistent with. Yeah. That's the biggest problem. So many people yoyo diet because they try, oh, I'm gonna try this diet. And they're on it for two to three weeks. And they're like, I'm miserable. And I hate my life. And they're back to just scarfing up the hagen Daz right.

[00:45:01] Hans Amato: I should say there is this saying that, and I'm gonna butcher it a little bit, but it's something align the lines of methods and principles. Like you can follow a diet, but you don't know why you're following it. But if you understand okay, I want to lose weight. Maybe I have to create a small deficit.

[00:45:18] I have to little bit like you understand why you eat the principles. You can always succeed. Okay.

[00:45:24] David Dowlen: Now we're gonna touch on supplements a little bit. Do you actually recommend any particular supplements with your clients, , with yourself or are you just try and get it from whole foods?

[00:45:37] Hans Amato: So I, I use very little supplements and whenever I do use supplements, I basically use it for a week or so.

[00:45:42] And then I just stop because I don't know. I like sometimes I do feel the effects of supplements, but I just feel so good without supplements that I'm just like, it's more trouble for me to take the supplement, , for the little bit of hint that I do actually do get, so it all depends on the person's situation.

[00:46:00] If someone is really high stress all the time, mm-hmm, maybe all means get an adaptogen that is really gonna help to blunt the negative effects of stress. And that's gonna help to blunt the negative effect of cortisol on testosterone. So let's say you use Ola or aand or Trib Restis or CEPS that are great adaptogen.

[00:46:18] That is gonna blunt the increase in cortisol from stress, and that can actually help to increase your testosterone. So the herbs and the stuff that I like is, again, depending on the person, if someone has low testosterone because of inflammation, mm-hmm, , let's get the inflammation down. If someone has low testosterone because of a high estrogen, let's use something that's gonna block estrogen.

[00:46:38] If you have low Testone because of access, prolactin, then use something that's more dopa like una per and Tribu. I really like the combination of Tris and una because they lower cortisol increase the HD lower prolactin, increased dopamine, lots of good stuff with that combo. So again, it depends on why someone has, but I'm really not a fan of using the supplement.

[00:46:59] I just go like, okay, let's do the diet and do the supplements because I can guarantee you if you, if someone does puts in the effort to do this with a diet mm-hmm, . You are able to buffer stress better. So if you have, for example, collagen or a bone broth with some carbohydrates, those amino acid are anti stress.

[00:47:19] And then when you are stressed, your body upregulate, the oxidation of glucose. And if you don't have glucose available to use for stress, mm-hmm, , your cortisol will go up to create glucose. So if you can utilize your glucose that you have, that's why you have carbohydrates. Let's say someone was an accident.

[00:47:36] They were in a car crash, or they, something really stressful happened to them. The first thing that you do is you give them sugar, water, or sugar and salt. You give them this carbohydrates, that's gonna help them to buffer the stress. So it's very easy to actually handle stress. When you have carbohydrates available to use, it's kinda like carbohydrates are our body's national way of buffering stress.

[00:47:58] Now, some people, because they are instantly resistant, they can't properly utilize their glucose. So then giving them something like aand or Trice arresters can then blunt the stress that they don't get a dysfunction. In their proper glucose oxidation. And the kicker here is that if someone is chronically stressed, the cortisol is making them insulin resistant.

[00:48:19] So you wanna use carbohydrates can blunt cortisol. That's actually the more carbs you eat, the less cortisol you have, not in a bad way. It just means that it's a very good adaption, but then chronic stress can make that glucose oxidation dysfunctional depending on the person so that they can't properly use the carbohydrates.

[00:48:36] And then can't lower the cortisone. But if you have a good diet and you have to meet and the carbohydrates in the fats, that's gonna blunt, that's gonna be the adaptogen that you actually don't have to use in adaption because you'll be able to handle the stress. Lemme give you another example. So if you're stressed, they there's different kinds of people.

[00:48:53] One person, when they become stressed, actually don't get increase in cortisol because it's the way you perceive. If your testosterone and DHD is low and your D H E a is low, you might perceive things as stressor that someone else is not perceiving as a stressor. Stress is always what you perceive it to be.

[00:49:12] So if you can change the way you see a stressor, just changing your perception can remove that as being a stressor. So instead of seeing it as a stressor, you see it as an opportunity. For example, what can I learn out of this? How can I improve myself that next time I can handle this situation better? So obviously that's not always gonna be the case, but that's a good way to buffer stress and the diet, is.

[00:49:36] Once you get the mindset, right? Because this is where I was coming. So one person is not gonna get an increase in cortisol. Someone else might get a brief spike in cortisol from a stressor. Another person is gonna get that spike and is gonna stay elevated for prolonged period of time. And it might take a couple of hours for it to go back to baseline.

[00:49:52] So I would say that if you follow the right diet and you eat a diet, which in nutrients like zinc and selenium, calcium, copper, and magnesium, and B vitamins, I'm just saying like all vitamins and minerals are important, but if you eat a diet, that's nutrient dense. That's why I'm so focused on the animal foods.

[00:50:08] You will have the nutrients that can buffer stress. Like one of the supplements it's called CMA. So it's basically zinc magnesium of vitamin B6. That's great for improving sleep and lowering cortisol, but why do you need that supplement? You need the supplement because you don't get this through your diet.

[00:50:24] So if you actually just improve your diet, you're gonna get the micronutrients that's gonna automatically enable you to handle the stress better. So instead of cortisol, spiking, crazy high and staying elevated for a long period of time, it might not even increase at all because your diet is so nourishing that first of all, your testosterone is high.

[00:50:41] So changes your perception. That's not a stressor, but also you have enough micronutrients for it to not to be a stressor because you can buffer that because having high levels of testosterone, blunt, the effect of the increase in cortisol. So again, it's that rise between testosterone and cortisol.

[00:50:57] That's so important.

[00:50:59] David Dowlen: Oh, okay., sorry. I had to blink away there for a minute. My, allergies are kicked up today, really bad. I woke up with a just killer headache. So starting my lights today are really getting my eyes now. Hans I like to give my audience some audience, something just actionable that they can move on, that they can listen to this and go, here's a starting ground.

[00:51:20] So what are three steps that Men can take and implement right now? After they wrap up the podcast and go, I can do these things, ABC starting today to move up the needle in the right direction,

[00:51:36] Hans Amato: diet wise, I would say either add meat or oysters to your diet. So if you can add oysters, add some oysters to your diet, maybe like a can three, three to four times a week.

[00:51:48] And this is just the initial noting phase. So you can get more of those minerals into your diet, or if you don't like oysters, just have more red meat, because it's so high in zinc. So we always associate men with eating steaks and smoking cigars. drinking whiskey, but meat that's me. All right. So, but meat is actually very rich in those minerals, like zinc that is gonna enhance testosterone production.

[00:52:12] That's gonna lower access inflammation, lower access, estrogen production, and enhance the strength of our DHD. So if we don't have enough, zinc, DHT gets converted into a weaker metabolite. So just getting more zinc is gonna strengthen in the effects of DHT. Plus zinc has a lot of under benefits as well, improving insulin sensitivity, helping against anxiety, depression, cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[00:52:36] So that is diet wise. First of all, eat enough calories, improve your insulin, sensitivity, eat some more meat, obviously there's a lot more. Okay. I'm gonna, okay. Add one thing is that sourcing the meat remove one thing is you have to look at foods that is either bloating, you or causing some kind of inflammation.

[00:52:54] So anything that upsets the gut is gonna mess with your hormones and make you feel suboptimal. So that could be gluten. It could be dairy depending on the person. It could be starches. It could be some kind of high fermentable food. Let's say you eat onions. You bloat, you don't feel good. Perhaps look at high FOD Map food and see which foods you are sensitive to.

[00:53:12] So remove something that is causing inflammation in the body, add something that's nutrient in. So that is diet. And then let's talk about the lifestyle. Sleep is most important. It's one of the most important things that you can do to improve your Testone, but you want to enhance the quality of your sleep and improving your sleep starts in the morning.

[00:53:32] So you wanna make sure you get out. First thing, when you wake up, get sunlight, that's gonna help to entrain the circadian rhythm so that you actually are tired at the right time at night. And also the more sunlight you get, the more your Testone goes up. People in the summertime, you have more testosterone the people in the winter.

[00:53:49] And this is not just because of vitamin D there's a strong skin and almost everything else access. So skin gut access, skin, brain access, skin taste access gets sunlight is gonna help a lot with a lot of stuff, improve, including sleep quality, increasing your testosterone. So in the morning, this is my routine that I usually.

[00:54:08] Get outside, sunlight eat a little bit of food. It could be milk. It could be whatever you wanna eat because eating foods help to in train the circadian rhythm as well. Don't overeat. Don't go crazy. And then the third is to do some kind of movement. So you can go out for a walk. If you don't have time, maybe do a few kettlebell swings and a few burpees do something that you can do in the morning.

[00:54:28] So those three things is gonna help the most in training, the circadian rhythm that you are tired at the right time. Okay. And then the other tips that I have is basically just built on that morning routine. Try to get more sunlight, try to be a little bit more active. It's gonna help significantly with mood and stress management.

[00:54:47] So you earlier talked about all of this high stress you do working jobs. You're doing this after hours. You have family getting sunlight and doing some form of movements sporadically. It's like exercise snacking. It's amazing for helping you to relieve stress and actually improve insulin sensitivity.

[00:55:02] So if you can go outside, maybe you have a Kettle bell. You go outside every hour on the hour, do 10 swings, 20 swings. Like you do your swings. You have a cup of milk. Maybe you sit in the sun, you just enjoy the heat, you drink your milk and that's gonna help to relieve stress. Get the blood flowing, get your mind off of whatever's bothering you.

[00:55:22] And the more consistently you can get sunlight and do some form of movement is gonna have strong antidepressant effects. That's gonna help to enhance energy and manage stress. I think that's gonna be like the main points I think is gonna help people out.

[00:55:35] David Dowlen: All right, now you have a program, right? , to help Ming it going on this.

[00:55:43] And we're gonna share your website here, guys. And you can find his website at men-elite.com. It's men hyphen elite.com. Now on your website, how do we find this program? Cuz this is the easiest place for people to find it.

[00:56:02] Hans Amato: So courses, courses, but I would just say like before we go to courses, so I have the alpha energy male course, that's kinda like the grandad that summarizes everything out to optimize testosterone that would be, what to eliminate what to add the lifestyle, everything that you want to do to optimize testosterone.

[00:56:17] But that is the grandad course. Mm-hmm what I wanna do for your audience is I have a book, the how to increase your testosterone manual. It's basically things that we talked about here. Little bit more in detail, so that people have a reference to go after, after they, have listened to this like a summary, so everyone can like, don't have re-listen to the podcast just to get everything.

[00:56:38] So I wanna give that book to you, your audience for free, they can use the code "Brent" that's gonna be the quote quote, not the quote, the, coupon. That's gonna give them a hundred percent off from the book. That's gonna be a good starting and then they can check me out. If they're interested in my stuff, they can read my website, they can read the book.

[00:56:55] And then if they really want, then get the granddaddy if they're serious, but I don't want non-serious people to do it. If you don't have time in your life, if you feel like it now it's not the right time, which I don't know why people would feel that way. Then perhaps don't get the course because it is packed.

[00:57:11] It's packed with information and it will take a little bit of time to go through it, but it's gonna be worth it.

[00:57:17] David Dowlen: Guys. I will have links for his website for all of his connections down below and for this free gift. Thank you for that for my audience. That's amazing. Now is the website the best place for people to connect to you

[00:57:30] Hans Amato: or also YouTube?

[00:57:31] I'm releasing most of these snippets. So if people are interested in testosterone optimization videos, Then go to my YouTube because I'm more active there than my website website. I release an article, once a week, but my website's definitely an archive. You can go in there and search whatever you want to search.

[00:57:48] Like the estrogen testosterone DHT okay. All of those are there. I've already written big articles on that. And then I'm kinda like releasing every other day videos on my YouTube. So that's where I'm kinda like most consistent, but I think website YouTube, that's gonna be the best places.

[00:58:04] David Dowlen: All right. Website.

[00:58:06] And I'll be sure and have links for all that. What is next for Hans Amato

[00:58:10] Hans Amato: Next is to automate the business more and to have more fun in life. I want to I want to live my stuntman lifestyle. I want to remove myself in a way from the business. And what I mean by that is that. You talked about being busy versus productive and I wanted to elaborate a little bit more on that is that we feel so the need to be busy because then we feel like we are at least doing something moving in that right direction.

[00:58:38] But because we are so busy, we might be missing. What's really important to be productive. And it feels, and I know a lot of people feel the same way, impossible to take a day off other than the weekend. And even most people can't the weekends off. So for me, I just feel like if you can take days off, you will do more and better work in the days that you do work.

[00:59:00] And in the days that you do take off, you're not gonna be bumming on the couch. Obviously it's gonna be going out and living that fun life. And then just showing people this is what's possible. Being an example, that's what you mentioned. If there's funny enough, there's a guy on Instagram.

[00:59:16] It's kinda like just starting up also creating content on, testosterone optimization, but he's not showing himself, he's just sharing this information. And for me, it's what's the point of sharing information. If you don't know how the person is, applying it, if you're not the example of what you're doing, you gotta be the example of what you do.

[00:59:32] And that's what I kind wanna help people with is I want to be more of an example if possible, like half a, like I wanna inspire people, inspire them to do the same, have fun.

[00:59:42] David Dowlen: Absolutely. Guys, we have dropped so much information. Okay. Re-listen to the podcast, get Hans's free book. Okay. That will help you be next steps.

[00:59:54] I love the fact that he's giving you next steps from here, where you can go, that is amazingly journalist. So thank you for that guys. Check it out, head over to the men elite podcast, guys. See what he's got going on over there. Listen to what he has to say. I bring you experts who live the life they talk about, because I want you guys to have good examples.

[01:00:15] Like you were just saying Hans to look at. And so you can make the most out of your life and reach the life that you want to because I believe every man should live up to his full potential, at least once in his life, just to see what he's capable of. Hans. Thank you for taking the time to be on the show.

[01:00:32] Guys. It's always be better tomorrow because what you do today and we'll see on the next one.